Machen Lesson 8

David I. · Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:08 pm Post subject: Machen Lesson 8

David I.
Time to get started...
2. OJ oi\kovV mouv estin ejn tw/: ejrhvmw/.
5. Dia; ta; tevkna hJmw:n blevpete ta;V kakh;V hJmevraV.
8. OiJ uiJoi; hJmw:n ei\ kai; oiJ maqhtai; uJmw:n ejsmen.
11. HJ oJdovV kakhv, a[gomen de; ta; tevkna ejn aujth/:.
14. OiJ maqhtaiv mou ajgouvsi moi tou;V ajdelfou;V aujtw:n.

David I. · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:09 am Post subject:

Emilia and Brandon,
It would be really nice to get these posted ASAP because we all need corrections and I will be gone all weekend.

Alia · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:40 pm Post subject:

Sorry, I'm trying the best I can to get it done but I'm not as good as translating as you are. Hope you have a good time wherever your going.
Emilia

Xierox · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:02 pm Post subject: mou

David, could you tell me what page (in machen) that it explains what mou does? (You have it in your .2 of your answers. Thanks.
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A life, huh? Sounds cool . . . where can I download one of those?

David I. · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:41 pm Post subject:

To xierox,
It is on pg 46 (.95) That entire section is about personal pronouns <which are a pain=Þ>

Alia · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:23 pm Post subject:

Is there a word for "his" and "them"?

Alia · Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:34 pm Post subject:

What letter do we use to get the "s" shaped sigma? Confused

Alia · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:26 am Post subject:

Nevermind about the "his" and "them". I figured it out. Very Happy

Xierox · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:30 am Post subject: S shaped sigma.

I'm guessing you mean V? Is that right? It is a capital V.

James
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Alia · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:27 pm Post subject:

Thanks.

Alia · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:25 pm Post subject:

Here's mine. I'm not sure how well I did these. Wink

3. ov profhvthV ginwvskei autoiv maqhtvai kaiv fevrei autous eivs autovs oikos
6. evn hvmevtero hvmevrai ov kovsmos kakos
9. hvmeiz ov basileiva qeovs metav sovs pistovs maqhtai
12. evmovs avdelfovs lambavnomen dwrou para umas avllav uvmevteros maqhtai fevrw oi tevknouz evk autav
15. v blevwp kaiv ginwvskw emovs uioviv kaiv avgw autous proz emovs kurvios

David I. · Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:17 pm Post subject:

Ok in #1
....profhvthV ginwvskei autoiv maqhtvai...
to say "his disciples" the personal pronoun follows the noun. Thus oiJ maqhtai; autou:.
Let me explain about the changing of the personal pronoun from aujtoiv to aujtou:. Saying "his disciples" is essentially the same thing as saying "the disciples of him". In other words when a noun with a personal pronoun is stated it needs a article ( oJ, oiJ and so on) and the personal pronoun must fit the sentence. Thus "of him" is aujtou: not aujtoiv which means they.

Did I wax to lengthy on that? sorry if I did. I will be posting more later but try to look through and see if you can fix things that you see with that in mind.

Sorry about that caustic comment that I posted Sad

Alia · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:37 am Post subject:

So your saying that it should be:

3. ov profhvthV gigwvskei autou maqhtvai kaiv fevrei autous eiva autovu oikos?

Np
Emilia

David I. · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:19 am Post subject:

Yes and no....
the pronoun follows the noun AND a noun like that (his disciples, his house, their temple, her kingdom, etc...) must have an article preceding.
oiJ maqhtai; autou:. <This is the correct word order (I think) OiJ is the article. Maqhtai; is the noun. Aujtou: is the personal pronoun in the singular genitive case. The greek word order for this is excatly the same as saying in english, "the disciples of him" which is the same thing as saying, "his disciples."
Did that make any sense?

Alia · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:09 am Post subject:

How about this?

3. profhvth gigwvskei oiv maqhtaiv autou kaiv fevrei autous eivs oiv oikos autou

Are you going to be gone just for the weekend or for all of next week to?

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