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Alia Veteran Member


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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:41 pm Post subject: Machen Lessons 6 & 7 |
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1. pros ov prwtos ekklhsiva kuvrios gravfoiv ov prwtos parabolhv
3. ov agaqovs prwtos kaiv kakos evscatos
5. kuvrios ov baoileiva egeivrw pistovs gunoi kaiv pistovs avnqrwpoi
7. oiv kalovs lovgoiv levgwmaqa pros ov ekklhsiva kaiv ov kakovs lovgoiv gravfwmaqa pros ov
9. oiv ovdoiv kalovs kaiv oiv avvnqrwpoi kakovs
11. ov kalovs douloiv ginwvskw ov avlhvqeia kaiv ov dovxa ov kuvrios
13. oiv avnqrwpoi apovllumi oiv kalovs ierovi kai oi mikpovs oikoi
15. ov ekklhsia lambavnw o avllos oivkos
17. kuvrios levgw o avllos parabolhv pros ov prwtos
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:07 am Post subject: |
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i had left out words in sentences 3 and 7, because i didn't know them. I have learned the words so here's the corrections
[g] 3. ov agaqovs prwtos kaiv ov kakov evscatos
7. oiv kalovs lovgoiv levgwmaqa pros ov ekklhsiva kaiv ov kakovs lovgoiv gravfwmaqa pros ov avdelfoiv [/g]
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Your vocabulary is good but look at all of the endings on your nouns. They all are nominative. You must reread chapter 4 in Machen and learn when to use your other noun cases. Other's are having the same problem, and the only answer is to work through it and learn those noun cases. Take a look at the discussion in other's homework.
Work on this and please ask questions. You can't advance in the language until we get this figured out.
Please ask questions about noun cases.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:22 am Post subject: |
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1. Ov evkklhsiva qevlhma dou:loiv evpiv me.
3. Lovgoiv egwv gravfw evn biblivon.
5. Nu:n autovs oupw didavskw me, de w{ra oti en autos kaiv didavskw me kai ginwvskw.
7. Tote qevlhma tuloiv proseuvcomai kurios ov prosv, de kakos anqrwpoi qevlhma ouv proseuvcomai.
Here's part of this week's homework.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to see your work!
#1 Church is feminine and needs a feminine article instead of a masculine.
qevlhma means the noun "a will" or "a wish". The verb here is "will send". So we need the future form of the verb to send. Servants are the object so they need to be accusative. You don't need ejmpiv since the dative case of moi means "to me"
#3 You need to put in "these" and make the words accusative since they are the object of the verb. Right now you have two nouns fighting to be the subject lovgoi and ejgw. The verb needs to be changed into the future. And ejn as any preposition is very picky. It must be followed by the dative case.
#5 You
have "I myself am not yet teaching myself...." This is caused by putting the first person ending on the verb. In the next clause you have 'hour' as subject since you put it in the nominative. You need to change this into "in that hour". Again you have first person verb endings when "I" is not the subject.
Emilia, I notice a few more accusatives in your Greek but you still have the pervasive tendency to merely write the vocabulary forms of nouns and verbs instead of using the necessary endings. Keep working on this. Maybe use this as a principle "don't use the vocabulary ending unless you are forced to." After you make these corrections I will give you some more to work on.
Blessings,
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Alia Veteran Member


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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Okay, now I've really lost it. What in the world is a dative? Or what are the words for "will, shall, and these"? I can't find them in the book, though they are probably in there somewhere. I knew there was a reason I hated translating into Greek. Just kidding.
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Commensurate Implicatures New Member

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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:38 pm Post subject: Hang in there |
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Emilia,
When first starting Latin, it took me a week to figure out what a case was, much less how to use it.
A dative is one of the main Greek cases, so it's good to know. As Machen says, "the dative case is the case of the direct object. At this point in Greek, it'll be safe to translate it "to ____ ." For instance, tw`/ ajnqrwvpw/ would be "to the apostle". In the sentence, the disciple gave the book to the apostle; "disciple" is the subject, "book" is the direct object (the action is being performed on it), and "apostle" is the indirect object (the action is received by the indirect object).
This'll become more familiar with use, I promise. Hopefully that's helpful to start with.
C.I.
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much. It helps quite a bit.
Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 9:00 am Post subject: Cases |
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Nominative - Shows Subject or Predicate Nominative
(John sent his letter to Marie by means of a post office)
Genitive - Shows Possession
(John sent his letter to Marie by means of a post office)
Dative - Shows Transferring
(John sent his letter to Marie by means of a post office)
Accusative - Shows Direct Object
(John sent his letter to Marie by means of a post office)
Ablative - Shows Means
(John sent his letter to Marie by means of a post office)
Also some prepositions take the Genitive through Ablative cases, but most take the Accusative.
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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1. ov te wjn th/ savrki ov kuriou swvzw ekei:noz os pisteuvw epi autovn.
3. ekei:noz os wn swzw upov ov kurios ginwvskw autovn os swzw autouvs
5. auth os decomai ov kurios eis authvn oikos blepeoiz ov provswpon of ov eis os owzw authvn.
7. ews hmen didaskw env tw:/ ierw:/ hme:is blepw ov eis os owzw hma:s
Okay here's the first half of my homework. Hopefully I didn't make that many mistakes.
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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The last post was made by me. New hard drives can be hard to live with. JK
Emilia
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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9. ov kurios levgw provs ekei:noV os pisteuvw epiv autovn oti qeovs swzw amartwloiv
11. ekei:noV os levgw tau:ta poievw ouv ginwvskw ov eis os swvzw ov ekklhsiva
13. outos ov fwnhv os wn hkousa upov ekei:noz os pisteuvw en ov kurios
15. wn khruvssw upov ekei:noz os pisteuvw en o kurios, o euallevlion qevlhma agw anqrwpoi eis ov ekklhsia.
And here's the other half.
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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9. ov kurios levgw provs ekei:noV os pisteuvw epiv autovn oti qeovs swzw amartwloiv
11. ekei:noV os levgw tau:ta poievw ouv ginwvskw ov eis os swvzw ov ekklhsiva
13. outos ov fwnhv os wn hkousa upov ekei:noz os pisteuvw en ov kurios
15. wn khruvssw upov ekei:noz os pisteuvw en o kurios, o euallevlion qevlhma agw anqrwpoi eis ov ekklhsia.
And here's the other half.
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