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Laila Klaszus
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Did I translate correctly? |
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Have a look at 249.A.7 (Chapter 18A)
oiJ ponhroiv ajrcontes ejlusan tou" oikou" to;n pistw;n khrussovntown to eujaggevlion.
The evil rulers destroyed the houses of the ones who believed while they were preaching the good news.
I took tovn pistwn to be a substantive participle and khrussovntwn an adverbial. (can't find the circumflex)
Feedback would be welcome.
Laila
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Billhafen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: Me too |
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Laila,
That is the same way I translated the sentence.
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Laila Klaszus
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Me too |
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| Billhafen wrote: | Laila,
That is the same way I translated the sentence. |
Thanks, Bill--since the sentences from 18A aren't in Thompson, I couldn't check that one. Good to know there are at least two of us on the same track.
Laila
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Laila Klaszus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: Another translation question |
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Chapter 18A, No. 9
mhdev didavskonta" mhdev didaskomevnou" oiJ ponhroiV lhmyontai tou'" mathtav".
(for some reason the "s" key does not produce the Teknia Greek font for the circumflex or final sigma)
I translated this as follows: The evil ones will receive the disciples neither while they are teaching or while they (the disciples?) are being taught.
I question this translation because "while they are being taught" doesn't make much sense in this context.
Feedback will be appreciated.
(In case you are wondering, for review I'm translating sentences again from 18A, 18B, 19, & 20. It's a lot easier this time around than the first time! And by translating one from each chapter in turn, I'm being forced to think of all forms of the participle, not just one.)
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stephenR
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can't find the circumflex
Circumflex is made by typing ':'
Circumflex with rough breathing is '|', and with a smooth breathing it is '\'
Final sigma is 'V'
And your translation looks pretty much the same as mine:
khrussovntwn is in predicate position, so it is adverbial, so it means 'While they were proclaiming'
Stephen
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stephenR
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mhde; didavskontaV mhde; didaskomevnouV oiJ ponhroi; lhvmyontai tou;V mathtavV.
Both participles are accusative plural, so they must go with maqhtavV
Stephen
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Laila Klaszus
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| stephenR wrote: | mhde; didavskontaV mhde; didaskomevnouV oiJ ponhroi; lhvmyontai tou;V mathtavV.
Both participles are accusative plural, so they must go with maqhtavV
Stephen |
Thanks a lot Stephen. I made note of the key strokes. Because I saw Teknia font somewhere on this site, I assumed all the letters would be the same. I have used the Teknia font a lot in the past, but I guess for this site it has been adapted. Anyway, now I know.
\euvcaristw:
Laila
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Klaas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Another translation question |
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| Laila Klaszus wrote: | Chapter 18A, No. 9
mhdev didavskonta" mhdev didaskomevnou" oiJ ponhroiV lhmyontai tou'" mathtav".
I translated this as follows: The evil ones will receive the disciples neither while they are teaching or while they (the disciples?) are being taught.
I question this translation because "while they are being taught" doesn't make much sense in this context.
Feedback will be appreciated. |
Μηδὲ διδάσκοντας μηδὲ διδασκομένους οἱ πονηροὶ λή(μ)ψονται τοὺς μαθητάς.
I think it's best to translate the participles not as temporal, but as conditional, since they're accompanied by μή in stead of οὐ: "if they won't teach and if they won't be taught".
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