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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:39 pm Post subject: Machen Lessons 4 - 18 |
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1.) dou:loV gravfei novmoV.
3.) adelfoiv luvousi dou:loi.
5.) apovstoloV blevpei dou:loV kaiv dw:ron.
7.) blevpomen dw:ra kaiv douloiv.
9.) logoiv kaiv novmoi gravfomen adelfoivV` lovgoV qavnate levgomen doulw:/. (I didn't know the way to say 'of death', so I put just 'death' instead. Is that ok?)
11.) ginovskete qavnate.
13.) gravfieV lovgoV adevlfou doulw:.
15.) uivoV blevpei qavnate.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding your question about #9.....
Use the genitive case in places where we use "of" in English. Just as the word "of" may mean more than possession so may the genitive case in Greek.
Let me know what you come up with.
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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so, it would be like this?
logoiv kaiv novmoi gravfomen adelfoivV` lovgoV qavnatou levgomen doulw:/.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| You have the genitive right now, but look at your nominatives. Nominative means that they are subjects of the verbs. Are the words and laws doing the writing or is the word doing the speaking? Maybe you should consider a different case for these words.
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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logouvV kaiv novmouV gravfomen adelfoivV` lovgoV qavnatou levgomen doulw:/.
I think I understand all the cases now; I was stuck there for a while. Is the rest of my homework alright?
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| You need an accusative ending on lovgoV and #11 and #15 need the accusative ending (not vocative).
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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9.) logouvV kaiv novmouV gravfomen adelfoivV` lovgouV qavnatou levgomen doulw:/.
11.) ginovskete qavnatou.
15.) uivoV blevpei qavnatou.
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And here is my homework for this week:
1.) blasileiva lambavnei dovxa.
3.) kardiva anqrwvpou didavskei apovstoloV, kaiv fwnhv apovstolou didavskei dou:loV.
5.) ekklhsivai evxousi eirhvnh kaiv dovxa.
7.) apovstoloi lambavnousi ie:ra kaiv basileivaV.
9.) dou:loV levgei parabolhv kardivaiV anqrwvpwn.
11.) fwnhv apovstolou levgei parabolhv yucai:V anqrwvpwn.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Way to post!
On the last chapter #11 and #13 you now have death in the genitive instead of accusative.
On this chapter, it looks like you are still missing the accussative case. Remember
Subject = nominative
verb = verb
object = accusative.
How would a reader know who is speaking in #3 (voice or servant)? This is not a rhetorical question. I really would like you to answer. The same goes for #5 how does the reader know who is doing the possessing (churches or peace and glory). Check the rest for a similiar trend.
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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About last week's 11.and 15.; if you're trying to say just 'death', with no article, it would be accusative plural, right? I think the plural makes more sense, but I'm not sure if it is correct.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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you have qanavtou which is genitive singular (of death) --- side note -- the accenting shifts with the long ending---
It should be qavnaton accusative singular (death -- as object of the verb)
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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here's last week's corrections....
1.) basileiva lambavnei dovxan.
3.) kardiva anqrwvpou didavskei apovstolou, kaiv fwnhv apovstolou didavskei dou:loV.
5.) ekklhsivai evcousi eirhvnhn kaiv dovxan.
7.) apovstoloi lambavnousi ie:ra kaiv basileivaV.
9.) dou:loV levgei parabolhvn kardivaiV anqrwvpwn.
11.) fwnhv apovstolou levgei parabolhvn yucai:V anqrwvpwn.
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and chap. 6....
1.) o kuvrpioV gravfei thvn prw;thn parabolhvn th/ prw:th/ ekklhsia/.
3.) tav agaqav eisiv prw:toV kaiv tav kakav eisiv evscatoV.
5.) o kuvrioV th:V basileivaV egeivrei o pistovV kaiv h pisthv.
7.) legovmen tovn agaqovn lovgon th:/ ekklhsia/, kaiv gravfomen tovn kakovn lovgon toi:V adevlfoiV.
9.) h odovi eisiv agaqhv kaiv o avnqrwpoV eisiv kakovV.
11.) o kalovV dou:loV ginwvskousi h alhvqeia kaiv h dovxa tou: kuvriou.
13.) oi avnqrwpoi luou:si tav kalav eirav kaiv tovn mikrovn oi:kouV.
15.) h ekklhsiva lambavnei tovn avllon ei:kon.
17.) o kuvroiV levgei thvn allhvn parabolhvn th/ prw:th/ ekklhsia/.
More to follow; I'm working on it.
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Mr. Schwandt AGORA Administrator


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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:27 am Post subject: |
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good work
Chapter 6
#3 you don't need the verb "to be" in this sentence. You may simply put the adjective in the predicate position. Make sure the adjectives agree with the nouns which they are modifying.
#5 the objects of the verb must be in the accusative case
#9 look at my discussion with david on this one
#15 just a spelling problem with "house"
Keep it up
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:39 am Post subject: |
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3.) tav agaqav prw:ta kaiv tav kakav evscataV.
5.) o kuvroiV th:V balileivaV egeivrei o pistovn kaiv h pisthvn.
9.) agaqaiv ai odoiv kaiv kakoiv o avnqrwpoi.
15.) h ekklhsiva lambavnei tovn avllon oi:kon.
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RuthEmilyZ Veteran Member


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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Machen chapter7
1.) en tw/ kovsmw/ ecovmen qanavton kaiv en th/ ekklhvsia/ ecovmen zwh:.
3.) tov tevknon bavllei livqon eiV tovn mivkron oivkon.
5.) oi maqhtaiv mevnousi en th/ ekklhvsia/ kaiv levgousi parabolhvn provV tavV avllaV profhvtaV.
7.) diav thvn ekklhvsian oi maqhvtai kaiv oi apovstoloi gravfousi agaqouvV logouvV touvV adelfouvV.
9.) metav tovn kuvrion o apovstoloV blevpei tovn maqhtav.
11.) fevrousi oi maqhtavV tw/ kuvriw/.
13.) oi divkaloi agouvsi touvV maqhtavV diav thvV evrhmou tw/ kuvriw/
15.) ai hmevrai eisiv kakaiv` ai ekklhvsiai eisiv kalaiv.
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JTKennedy Contributing Member

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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:30 pm Post subject: comment on sentence 1 of lesson 7 |
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you translated "in the world" as dative. It should be accusative because dative implies "to" or "for" while accusative is just a plain and simple noun that is not the subject.
We decided not to make suggestions on any of your other sentences in case some other people need to make suggestions still. Also before making changes you might want to check with Mr. Schwandt that our suggestion is correct.
Sincerely,
Jonathan and Tatiana
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